From fade at deepsky.com Wed Dec 8 00:47:03 2010 From: fade at deepsky.com (Brian O'Reilly) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:47:03 -0500 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> On 10-10-13 11:01 AM, Liu Yubao wrote: > [[ cross post to quicklisp, hope this isn't annoying as they are all > low volume lists. ]] > > Hi Jochen, > > I'm glad you fixed the mel-base web page on common-lisp.net quickly, > but Zach and I find > the git repository link is down, could you tell me what happened? > [[ http://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues#issue/9 ]] > > And the mel-base-announce link on > http://common-lisp.net/project/mel-base/ is wrongly > pointed to mel-base-devel, I think it's better just remove it or fix > the link and announce > a new release, I'm very surprised and happy to see mel-base is > maintained continuously > and well, thanks for your excellent effort. Well, I sent a pull req in june this year, and after some conversation in the #quicklisp channel, I went and looked at the changelog in that repo and I realised that before the patch I commited in my copy of the darcs repo, the last change before that came from David Lichteblau: Sun Jul 18 17:30:07 EDT 2010 Brian O'Reilly * sb-unix semantics changed; update to comply. Ignore-this: fed529a2266f8ccaef9680bd9b3d1b04 M ./lisp-dep/utils.lisp -2 +3 Thu Jan 31 16:17:12 EST 2008 david at lichteblau.com * support fetch-limit in imap-folder M ./folders/imap/folder.lisp -1 +2 ... so I have to ask, is mel-base dead, or does it just smell funny? Somebody needs to run update-server-info on the git repo linked from the common-lisp.net project page. Kind Regards., Brian From js at crispylogics.com Wed Dec 8 01:51:01 2010 From: js at crispylogics.com (Jochen Schmidt) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 02:51:01 +0100 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4109DBE2-8E50-4ADB-9327-E930C28347AA@crispylogics.com> Am 13.10.2010 um 17:01 schrieb Liu Yubao: > [[ cross post to quicklisp, hope this isn't annoying as they are all > low volume lists. ]] > > Hi Jochen, > > I'm glad you fixed the mel-base web page on common-lisp.net quickly, > but Zach and I find > the git repository link is down, could you tell me what happened? I needed to run git update-server-info - it should now work. Drop me a note if there still are problems. > [[ http://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues#issue/9 ]] > > And the mel-base-announce link on > http://common-lisp.net/project/mel-base/ is wrongly > pointed to mel-base-devel, I think it's better just remove it or fix > the link and announce > a new release, I'm very surprised and happy to see mel-base is > maintained continuously > and well, thanks for your excellent effort. I've removed mel-base-announce from the website I do not want to maintain multiple mailing lists for this project. > > Recently I'm annoyed many mail clients are stupid to process huge > amounts of mails by IMAP: > * Thunderbird freezes very often, almost useless > * Opera responses well but it tries to download all mail headers > which I don't want, > and it's closed source software. > * Mutt doesn't show mail list at all before it finishes downloading > all mail headers, too stupid. > * Alpine tries to download all mail headers and freeze if I want to > sort by thread, and Alpine > is a little slow to download mails compared to Mutt, I don't know why. > * Emacs + Gnus/VM/Mew/Wanderlust all freeze when downloading data > because Emacs is > a single thread application. > > As a Common Lisp newbie, I'm playing with some CL libraries about mail > processing, > * cl-postoffice: maintained well by Franz Inc, but not portable. > * mel-base: seems very mature (I see you deal with gmail, that's > what I need:-), but document isn't good enough. > * clonsigna: new and interesting, but not mature enough. > > I'm playing mel-base now, hope it help me make a stupid mail client to > handle huge amounts of > mails properly. > > Feel free to ask questions whenever you want. I'll try to answer them timely but I hope the mel-base user-base understands, that I actually need to earn money to feed my little daughter and my beautyful wife :-). ciao, Jochen -- Jochen Schmidt CRISPYLOGICS Cross Media Solutions Uhlandstr. 9, 90408 N?rnberg Telefon +49 (0)911 517 999 82 Telefax +49 (0)911 517 999 83 mailto:info at crispylogics.com http://www.crispylogics.com From js at crispylogics.com Wed Dec 8 02:16:07 2010 From: js at crispylogics.com (Jochen Schmidt) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 03:16:07 +0100 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> References: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> Message-ID: <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> Hello Brian, Am 08.12.2010 um 01:47 schrieb Brian O'Reilly: > > Well, I sent a pull req in june this year, and after some conversation > in the #quicklisp channel, I went and looked at the changelog in that > repo and I realised that before the patch I commited in my copy of the > darcs repo, the last change before that came from David Lichteblau: > > Sun Jul 18 17:30:07 EDT 2010 Brian O'Reilly > * sb-unix semantics changed; update to comply. > Ignore-this: fed529a2266f8ccaef9680bd9b3d1b04 > > M ./lisp-dep/utils.lisp -2 +3 > > Thu Jan 31 16:17:12 EST 2008 david at lichteblau.com > * support fetch-limit in imap-folder > > M ./folders/imap/folder.lisp -1 +2 > > > ... so I have to ask, is mel-base dead, or does it just smell funny? > Somebody needs to run update-server-info on the git repo linked from the > common-lisp.net project page. mel-base is far from dead - I use it extensively in my own projects and get mails from other people doing so too. It's quite stable for what it does. I hope you can understand, that I have not endless resources. Porting it to dozens of CL implementations, maintaining ASDF-INSTALL, common-lisp.net, holding all websites up to date is most of the time a bit too much hassle for a pro bono thing like this. Therefore I started drawing it back to my server and future public development on mel-base will happen on that (linked on common-lisp.net) Git repository. I'll stop maintaining ASDF-INSTALL (the download link on Cliki) because I think quicklisp (of which I'm a really big fan) is a better idea for that. I think in the long run this will be better for all. As before I'm able to offer commercial support and projects in relation to mel-base (and CL in general). I'm also very open to suggestions on future developments. Patches are welcome too. -- Jochen Schmidt CRISPYLOGICS Cross Media Solutions Uhlandstr. 9, 90408 N?rnberg Telefon +49 (0)911 517 999 82 Telefax +49 (0)911 517 999 83 mailto:info at crispylogics.com http://www.crispylogics.com From fade at deepsky.com Wed Dec 8 15:08:42 2010 From: fade at deepsky.com (Brian O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:08:42 -0500 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> References: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> Message-ID: <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> On 10-12-07 09:16 PM, Jochen Schmidt wrote: > Hello Brian, [snip] >> ... so I have to ask, is mel-base dead, or does it just smell >> funny? Somebody needs to run update-server-info on the git repo >> linked from the common-lisp.net project page. > > mel-base is far from dead - I use it extensively in my own projects > and get mails from other people doing so too. It's quite stable for > what it does. I hope you can understand, that I have not endless > resources. Porting it to dozens of CL implementations, maintaining > ASDF-INSTALL, common-lisp.net, holding all websites up to date is > most of the time a bit too much hassle for a pro bono thing like > this. Therefore I started drawing it back to my server and future > public development on mel-base will happen on that (linked on > common-lisp.net) Git repository. I'll stop maintaining ASDF-INSTALL > (the download link on Cliki) because I think quicklisp (of which I'm > a really big fan) is a better idea for that. I think in the long run > this will be better for all. > > As before I'm able to offer commercial support and projects in > relation to mel-base (and CL in general). I'm also very open to > suggestions on future developments. Patches are welcome too. Thanks for the response, Jochen. I'm very happy to hear that the software hasn't evolved into a corner never to commit again. :) I think mel-base is an awesome library (thank you!) which worked very well for me when I reached out for it in June. I see that an improved (shorter) version of the pull req I submitted to the list was included, and I agree with your assessment of quicklisp. I just wasn't sure how to interact with the development; your message clarifies those concerns. I'm also glad to see the move to git -- I have been moving all my own stuff off of darcs to git in the past year or so. Your git repo wasn't allowing clones, which is ultimately why I posted the above. Could you ping the list when you update-server-info on the repo so we can once again clone the canon source? Thanks! Kind regards., Brian From js at crispylogics.com Wed Dec 8 15:12:05 2010 From: js at crispylogics.com (Jochen Schmidt) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:12:05 +0100 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> References: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> Message-ID: <401609B0-D751-431A-B00B-2053437052A3@crispylogics.com> Am 08.12.2010 um 16:08 schrieb Brian O'Reilly: > Your git repo wasn't allowing clones, which is ultimately why I posted the above. Could you ping the list when you update-server-info on the repo so we can once again clone the canon source? Thanks! Yes it was broken indeed. I've run update-server-info yesterday so it should be possible to clone again. Drop me a note when there are still problems. ciao, Jochen -- Jochen Schmidt CRISPYLOGICS Cross Media Solutions Uhlandstr. 9, 90408 N?rnberg Telefon +49 (0)911 517 999 82 Telefax +49 (0)911 517 999 83 mailto:info at crispylogics.com http://www.crispylogics.com From fade at deepsky.com Wed Dec 8 15:43:11 2010 From: fade at deepsky.com (Brian O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:43:11 -0500 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> References: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> Message-ID: <4CFFA78F.2090905@deepsky.com> On 10-12-08 10:08 AM, Brian O'Reilly wrote: > Could you ping the list when you update-server-info on the repo so we > can once again clone the canon source? Thanks! And so I see you have pinged the list; apologies for the redundancy... although the web server at pmeta.net is refusing connections. Brian From js at crispylogics.com Wed Dec 8 15:45:02 2010 From: js at crispylogics.com (Jochen Schmidt) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:45:02 +0100 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: <4CFFA78F.2090905@deepsky.com> References: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> <4CFFA78F.2090905@deepsky.com> Message-ID: Am 08.12.2010 um 16:43 schrieb Brian O'Reilly: > On 10-12-08 10:08 AM, Brian O'Reilly wrote: > >> Could you ping the list when you update-server-info on the repo so we >> can once again clone the canon source? Thanks! > > > And so I see you have pinged the list; apologies for the redundancy... > although the web server at pmeta.net is refusing connections. Sorry - bad timing - I had to fix a little config problem and restarted the service. It should work now. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > mel-base-devel mailing list > mel-base-devel at common-lisp.net > http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mel-base-devel -- Jochen Schmidt CRISPYLOGICS Cross Media Solutions Uhlandstr. 9, 90408 N?rnberg Telefon +49 (0)911 517 999 82 Telefax +49 (0)911 517 999 83 mailto:info at crispylogics.com http://www.crispylogics.com From fade at deepsky.com Wed Dec 8 15:46:36 2010 From: fade at deepsky.com (Brian O'Reilly) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:46:36 -0500 Subject: [mel-base-devel] git repository link is down In-Reply-To: References: <4CFED587.1030405@deepsky.com> <16291DB9-3A58-4799-82EE-5DF21DDB39EB@crispylogics.com> <4CFF9F7A.8020508@deepsky.com> <4CFFA78F.2090905@deepsky.com> Message-ID: <4CFFA85C.7050608@deepsky.com> On 10-12-08 10:45 AM, Jochen Schmidt wrote: >> >> And so I see you have pinged the list; apologies for the redundancy... >> although the web server at pmeta.net is refusing connections. > > Sorry - bad timing - I had to fix a little config problem and restarted the service. > It should work now. And so it is. Thanks again, Jochen! ..B