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Probably, he repeated to Markham with good-natured contempt. In this chair reposed the body of Alvin Benson. Anyway, Im deuced grateful to you,and all that, for letting me behold the solemn proceedings. The sooner I get mymen started, the better.
Wed like a postmortem report today, Doctor. The investigation is entirely up to you,Sergeant. I just cant seewhy anybodyd want to kill him. Theadded clarity of vision it gave him seemed subtly to affect hisclarity of mind.
Heath jumped up, and pressed the button she had indicated. Its rather mild, y know, but delicately blended.
Not a soul, sir, the housekeeper answered emphatically.
Its hard to see, on account of the gold tip.
You now see, Vance, observed Markham, the importance of thosecigarette butts.
On seeing Markham he came forwardstiffly with outstretched hand.
Well, Im glad of that, was his perfunctoryreply.
Vances mysterious revolver in the secret drawer. He wasall the time going to parties or giving parties. Ill arrange for a guardoutside and also for a man inside to keep an eye on the Platz woman. We now reentered the hallway and stood for a moment at the foot ofthe stairs leading above. The housekeeper told me he had anappointment and went out to dinner in his dress clothes.
He walked up to itand regarded it closely.
He was a nervous man with a heavily seamed face and the manner of areal estate salesman.
Then, after a few awkward movements, he answered with unhurriedprecision. After a closer inspection of the cigarette, he turnedagain to Vance. Ivebeen vastly amused, even if not uplifted.
It was severely but well furnishedand in excellent order.
Youd be postively dumfounded, Sergeant, at all I did learn,Vance answered carelessly. Nobody in the car, or anyone hanging aroundwho might have been the owner? Markham, heexplained in a low, well-modulated voice. Anyway, remarked Heath, the car story will be good stuff to handthe reporters.
His head was round andabnormally large, and his ears seemed sunken into his skull. I prefer the blushing rose, if you dont mind, Vance protested. Not a soul, sir, the housekeeper answered emphatically.
I told Major Benson Id see him at lunchtime; and I may have somenews for you by tonight.
Maybe those cigarettes came out of thatcase, he suggested.
Thats very kind of you, sir, Heath returned. 
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From: ayp at childrensong.org (Clara Richardson)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:18:34 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] structural
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The work is all the more intriguing in that the name of the authoris buried in absolute secrecy. There is no surprise in hisface when he looks at it.
I considerthe First Lord, he whispered, as nothing better than a third-ratebum. Ill just try once more for Yomsk and if we cant get it, wellshut off for the night.
And SquireTrelawney, who is a middle-aged man in the written story, is made ayoung man.
He and his friend sit in front of themachine in deep absorption.
Its a specialty that has been reduced to an art. The publishers themselves areutterly unaware who wrote it. As soon as I havecompleted the fascistification of Europe, I shall make the voyage.
MissGish, however, on being approached, declared emphatically, Ididnt write it: so there! Jim Hawkins, the boy narrator ofStevensons story, is changed into a girl. I need hardly say that the entire corps diplomatique broke outinto hearty laughter. It was felt that America ought to have in itspossession samples of the work of the great masters.
They were headingfor London via Panama, but missed the entry to the canal in a mist.
If a movie character loses a husband or a wife, the loss isrepaired in one-quarter of a second. Theres a sending stationthere now, but theyre not catalogued and its hard to tell.
It is clear that this movement once well started will know no limitsave that of American wealth. Everything is arranged, I said, forthe early autumn.
I need hardly say that the entire corps diplomatique broke outinto hearty laughter.
Theres a sending stationthere now, but theyre not catalogued and its hard to tell.
And as Ted reluctantly turns off the machine, he says:Its a great thing, the radio, isnt it?
Only a little while ago it was looked upon as an impossible feat toswim through the Niagara Gorge. MUSSOLINI LECTURES AT HARVARDCambridge, Mass. 
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From zyv at daenischer-club.de  Mon Sep 18 13:43:05 2006
From: zyv at daenischer-club.de (Jessy Foley)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:43:05 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] pragmatism
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A most discreet, understanding man, he said ofMarlow.
He had a flair for humandeformity; his humour was sardonic.
Squire are not fiercely attached toanything in itself. The newspaper crocusis an amazing but still a very different plant.
Journalism embalmed in a book is unreadable.
Butpresumably there were a certain number of knives among the spoonsand the forks. He was himself, simply and directly,and himself he has remained.
It is worse, he will say, and perhaps morecommon, to be afraid of feeling than to feel too much. We arenauseated by the sight of trivial personalities decomposing in theeternity of print.
But while we are gratified, I, thatunruly partner in the human fellowship, is reduced to despair.
But the night comes and these flowersfade. It goes on, but already we are bemused with sound and neither feelnor hear. Butpresumably there were a certain number of knives among the spoonsand the forks. Among his readers were people of the most oppositeages and sympathies. Now once more the conditions have changed. He cannot afford thetime either to be himself or to be other people.
There is no ginabout; no strong tobacco; no puns, drunkenness, or insanity. He has clearly made the best of hiscircumstances and not the worst. I wentwith him to hear what he had to say, for shepherds talk quitedifferently from other men. The ingot is so small, the manipulation so incessant.
But it is ill work dragging such intimationsfrom their element. 
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:55:38 -0500
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From attila.lendvai at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 17:45:06 2006
From: attila.lendvai at gmail.com (Attila Lendvai)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 19:45:06 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] spam
Message-ID: <b54b34af0609181045m2cc673cem9618768269d2b0ee@mail.gmail.com>

hi!

could we disable non-subscribed posting to the cl-l10n list? there's a lot
of spam coming through it and they also sidestep the spamfilters...

-- 
- attila

"- The truth is that I've been too considerate, and so became
unintentionally cruel...
- I understand.
- No, you don't understand! We don't speak the same language!"
(Ingmar Bergman - Smultronst?llet)
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From sean at guruhut.com  Tue Sep 19 08:03:52 2006
From: sean at guruhut.com (Sean Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:03:52 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] spam
In-Reply-To: <b54b34af0609181045m2cc673cem9618768269d2b0ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b54b34af0609181045m2cc673cem9618768269d2b0ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <450FA468.6050008@guruhut.com>

Attila Lendvai wrote:
> hi!
> 
> could we disable non-subscribed posting to the cl-l10n list? there's a 
> lot of spam coming through it and they also sidestep the spamfilters...

done, member only posting has been enabled.


#:sean


From attila.lendvai at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 08:11:46 2006
From: attila.lendvai at gmail.com (Attila Lendvai)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:11:46 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] local time handling
Message-ID: <b54b34af0609190111w2264f53eje06576667c0dc932@mail.gmail.com>

fyi, there's a very good-looking time handling library at:
http://www.bitmuse.com/code/local-time/

i'll play with it in the next days and probably replace the net-telent-date
dependency of ucw with it. and in the meantime i'll keep an eye on the idea
and the possible effects of dropping the same time code from cl-l10n that is
also available in net-telent-date and which is in fact mostly the time
handling code in cmucl that was dropped from sbcl.

i'll report back if i think it's reasonable for cl-l10n to depend on
local-time instead.

-- 
- attila

"- The truth is that I've been too considerate, and so became
unintentionally cruel...
- I understand.
- No, you don't understand! We don't speak the same language!"
(Ingmar Bergman - Smultronst?llet)
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From sean at guruhut.com  Tue Sep 19 08:43:19 2006
From: sean at guruhut.com (Sean Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:43:19 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] local time handling
In-Reply-To: <b54b34af0609190111w2264f53eje06576667c0dc932@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b54b34af0609190111w2264f53eje06576667c0dc932@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <450FADA7.4030404@guruhut.com>

Attila Lendvai wrote:
> 
> fyi, there's a very good-looking time handling library at: 
> http://www.bitmuse.com/code/local-time/
> 
> i'll play with it in the next days and probably replace the 
> net-telent-date dependency of ucw with it. and in the meantime i'll keep 
> an eye on the idea and the possible effects of dropping the same time 
> code from cl-l10n that is also available in net-telent-date and which is 
> in fact mostly the time handling code in cmucl that was dropped from sbcl.

Funny you should mention that, the parse-time.lisp file that is currently
in cl-l10n is a modified version of the code from cmucl which was
changed to handle locale specific timestrings and months in a decent way
(although it's still far from complete).

So we are already handling time/date parsing and time/date printing
(via the ~U directive when format is shadowed, or format-time) although
the interaction between dates, times and timezones hasn't been looked
at properly.

My main concern with local-time is that it is *Nix specific (attempts
to load timezone information from /etc/localtime) and i'm currently
developing on Windows right now, yes pity me.

What is completely missing in cl-l10n is date/time comparisons.
I'm still not too sure what is the best way to go about this, sticking
with straight numerical representations for time, while handy, still
feels a little wrong.

I'm pretty fond of clsql's wall-time and duration classes (along
with various operations on them). What i would like to see, without
thinking about it too much, is wall-time and duration moved into a separate
package which we could use.


Cheers,
  Sean.



From attila.lendvai at gmail.com  Tue Sep 19 09:09:26 2006
From: attila.lendvai at gmail.com (Attila Lendvai)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:09:26 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] local time handling
In-Reply-To: <450FADA7.4030404@guruhut.com>
References: <b54b34af0609190111w2264f53eje06576667c0dc932@mail.gmail.com>
	<450FADA7.4030404@guruhut.com>
Message-ID: <b54b34af0609190209u5de2facdga69e6eb328853081@mail.gmail.com>

>
> My main concern with local-time is that it is *Nix specific (attempts
> to load timezone information from /etc/localtime) and i'm currently
> developing on Windows right now, yes pity me.


i think that could pretty easily be solved by including the timezone
information into the local-time package in one way or another (mostly
thinking of licencing issues here).


> What is completely missing in cl-l10n is date/time comparisons.
> I'm still not too sure what is the best way to go about this, sticking
> with straight numerical representations for time, while handy, still
> feels a little wrong.
>
> I'm pretty fond of clsql's wall-time and duration classes (along
> with various operations on them). What i would like to see, without
> thinking about it too much, is wall-time and duration moved into a
> separate
> package which we could use.


yep, that's what i would like to see fulfilled by local-time. we'll see...
local-time looks better tought out at first glance then the clsql stuff, but
it might be lacking some features. although looking at the releases it looks
like it's actively being worked on.

so optimally i imagine it like this: local-time handles all the nifty
details of the leap years and friends, date arithmetic, interval handling,
etc...  as a standalone lib. then cl-l10n integrates these services into its
own locale specific services, which may even involve things like the
handling of the timezone information in some way (i'm thinking of something
similar to how the locale files are parsed/loaded).

i've cc'd Daniel so that he can follow the discussion.

-- 
- attila

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unintentionally cruel...
- I understand.
- No, you don't understand! We don't speak the same language!"
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From sean at guruhut.com  Tue Sep 19 11:52:21 2006
From: sean at guruhut.com (Sean Ross)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:52:21 +0200
Subject: [cl-l10n-devel] local time handling
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Attila Lendvai wrote:
 >     My main concern with local-time is that it is *Nix specific (attempts
 >     to load timezone information from /etc/localtime) and i'm currently
 >     developing on Windows right now, yes pity me.
 >
 >
 > i think that could pretty easily be solved by including the timezone
 > information into the local-time package in one way or another (mostly
 > thinking of licencing issues here).

i found this http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm
which appears to be public-domain.