[cello-devel] Re: [cells-devel] New Cells User Feedback (includes patch!)

[Kenny Tilton]

Peter Denno wrote:

>On Friday 22 April 2005 23:03, Kenny Tilton wrote:
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>>well, keep the pestering up (13 more days to go) and we can do something.
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>>Is hello-c (or whatever we want to call "UFFI extended to support
>>callbacks into Lisp from C as well as CLisp") 
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>Hello-c is fine with me.
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>>going to get enough 
>>attention to warrant its own c-l.net project?
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>Got me. I haven't had time to think about it yet. Do you suppose there are 
>other projects that would use it? 
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Well, we would soon have both Cello and Cells-Gtk reaching into Cells to 
get hello-c, but they also go after Cells, so that is not too silly. And 
it is hard to imagine anyone doing a project without using Cells. <g> But...

When kevin rosenberg encouraged me to take my uffi extensions to a new 
project, he mentioned that he himself thought it was time for a new 
uffi. CLisp now has a great FFI, but UFFI does not support CLisp. 
Callbacks into Lisp from C are now universal enough to meet KR's 
requirements for UFFI inclusion, but I do not see him going that way.

Unless KR has a chnage of heart, Lisp needs a new semi-universal C FFI.

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>>Should utils-kt quietly be redundantly added to Cells and hello-c? Or is
>>it fine as a module under Cells? I doubt it is worth making into its own
>>project, as at least one other did.
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>Maybe added to cells makes most sense. I'm not too crazy of the idea of a 
>separate module for utilities. We each have our own such collection and I'd 
>like to add a few of mine wherever they are useful.
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>In my thinking, a module ought to support a bounded, well-defined purpose -- 
>either as a component of a system or as a set of operations on a single kind 
>of object. Utilities aren't like that.
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And the good news is that they do not undergo evolutionary development 
over time, so they can just be replicated into a serious module and 
forgotten.

hmmmm. well, if we are going to upset the applecart we may as well do it 
all at once:

cells out from under cell-cultures to be a toplevel module in the cells 
project (and eventually the only one).
hello-c into its own c-l.net project (if c-l.net approves)
utils-kt replicated redundantly into... uh-oh. who exports it?! <sigh> 
OK, let's have cells export those functions.
cello back over to the cello project
cell-cultures sleeps with the fish

all those in favor? opposed?

kt

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