From dto1138 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 05:20:00 2011
From: dto1138 at gmail.com (David O'Toole)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 01:20:00 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] boston lisp meetings?
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(My apologies if this is a duplicate posting.)

Are people still doing the Boston Lisp Meetings?

I've been very busy since my January 2009 presentation :)

http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2011/06/blockyio-preview-video.html

http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2011/06/voronoia.html



From dto1138 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 05:17:44 2011
From: dto1138 at gmail.com (David O'Toole)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 01:17:44 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] boston lisp meetings?
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Are people still doing the Boston Lisp Meetings?

I've been very busy since my January 2009 presentation :)

http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2011/06/blockyio-preview-video.html

http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2011/06/voronoia.html



From dherring at tentpost.com  Fri Jul  8 14:18:12 2011
From: dherring at tentpost.com (dherring at tentpost.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 10:18:12 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] boston lisp meetings?
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David O'Toole wrote:
> Are people still doing the Boston Lisp Meetings?

Unfortunately not.

Having taken a year off, maybe we have energy to start up again?


> I've been very busy since my January 2009 presentation :)
>
> http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2011/06/blockyio-preview-video.html
>
> http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2011/06/voronoia.html

David, would you like to kick off the first meeting of a new series?

Do others have things they want to present at this meeting or following ones?

Traditional meeting dates: July 25, August 29, September 26
Any preferences for the kickoff?  Any volunteers for room arrangements?

Thanks,
Daniel




From dto1138 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 04:38:54 2011
From: dto1138 at gmail.com (David O'Toole)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 00:38:54 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] boston lisp meetings?
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Hi Daniel,   (am I speaking to one Daniel or two?)

Sure, I'd love to do a presentation. I have more than enough material,
plus I will ask if the lisp games crowd want to have another game
design contest in the interim, so that I could present some results
from the community as well.

I think I could put together a better demo if I had until the August
29 date to prepare it. It would also be great if I could practice the
presentation in front of a few people sometime before the real gig. I
don't have much experience with giving presentations (other than the
last one in 2009) so a bit of feedback beforehand could be very
helpful in making the "live" presentation more effective.

While these pages are a little out of date, I have some more
information about my libraries and various other projects at
http://ioforms.org

Does anyone have format suggestions or questions that I can use to
make the presentation more helpful or more relevant?


On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM,  <dherring at tentpost.com> wrote:
> David, would you like to kick off the first meeting of a new series?
>
> Do others have things they want to present at this meeting or following ones?
>
> Traditional meeting dates: July 25, August 29, September 26
> Any preferences for the kickoff? ?Any volunteers for room arrangements?



From danking at ccs.neu.edu  Sat Jul  9 14:10:05 2011
From: danking at ccs.neu.edu (Daniel King)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:10:05 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] boston lisp meetings?
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> David, would you like to kick off the first meeting of a new series?
>
> Do others have things they want to present at this meeting or following ones?
>
> Traditional meeting dates: July 25, August 29, September 26
> Any preferences for the kickoff? ?Any volunteers for room arrangements?

I'm part of a small group of undergrads at Northeastern who are
working on improvements/updates to SCSH. We'd be interested in giving
a presentation. The August 29 date would also give us more time to
organize a proper presentation.

Next Monday, I will look into the availability of rooms here on NU's
campus for the meeting.

-- 
Dan King
College of Computer and Information Science
Northeastern University



From dto1138 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 21:27:50 2011
From: dto1138 at gmail.com (David O'Toole)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:27:50 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] preparing for "Lisp Games and Visual Programming"
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Hello everyone,

Thanks for the opportunity to do another presentation. I've been very
busy since January 09 and will have a lot to show (including hands-on
demos with joysticks and possibly some dance pad stuff.)

I've picked up an HD camcorder and will be bringing my friend Dana
once again to help out with video recording and with the demos. He's
also been working with Scheme in his graduate studies so that will be
fun.

I will need a projector or something (VGA or HDMI) for the visuals,
but I will bring my own speakers. Last I heard there wasn't a venue
yet for the meeting, so I thought I should mention it now.

As I will be bringing quite a few pieces of equipment to Boston for
this, and have a lot of material, I would prefer the same full-hour
format as my 09 presentation.

I have several topics to cover:

1. Some games I've released in Common Lisp in the last 2 years. Here's
a video retrospective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr3piK3T6a8
2. What the larger Lisp Games community has been doing in terms of
various libraries, games, and projects.
3. My current work with Lisp visual programming and discussion of
future directions.

As I mentioned before, I'd love to give a dry run of my presentation
to a few people sometime before the real event, to practice and
collect feedback.

What do you think?



From dto1138 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 19:10:35 2011
From: dto1138 at gmail.com (David O'Toole)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:10:35 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] Fwd: restatement
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David O'Toole <dto1138 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: restatement
To: John Morrison <john.nmi.morrison at gmail.com>


Okay John,

"Our goal for MAK was to commercialize the technology and make it
available to game makers and video arcades." ?-- taken from this
article by your MAK co-founder:
http://www.entrepreneurship.org/en/resource-center/using-sbir-to-bootstrap-your-company.aspx

Thanks for the lunch offer, but I'm not going to have an
off-the-record discussion of any kind with you, I'm not going to look
at or discuss code you've been working on that possibly violates a
non-compete agreement still in force, and I'm not going to discuss my
own future plans with someone who might open source "server side
stuff" that involves his patent on networked physics simulations:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN%2F5623642
http://www.google.com/patents?id=soEoAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&dq=john%20morrison%20simulation&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=john%20morrison%20simulation&f=false

Was this patent research funded by public money?

"The U.S. Government has a paid-up license in this invention and the
right in limited circumstances to require the patent owner to license
others on reasonable terms as provided for by the terms of contract
no. DAAH01-91-C-R269 awarded by the Small Business Innovation Research
agency (SBIR). This contract in no way limits the rights of
non-government entities to request and receive licenses under the
invention."

>From the Katz article:

"From an entrepreneur's standpoint, what's most remarkable about the
SBIR program is that it essentially provides free venture capital from
the federal government. Under the program, the government offers up to
$850,000 in seed capital, requires no money back, takes no equity in
the company, and retains few intellectual property rights to
technologies developed with the funds."

I don't think we have anything to discuss.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM, John Morrison
<john.nmi.morrison at gmail.com> wrote:
> The non-compete does not "cover" any software, including anyd unreleased
> software I have written.? It precludes me from competing with that company
> before that date.? Competing means either selling or open sourcing software
> into the niche market served by that company.? I used the term "releasing "
> to mean either selling or open sourcing.
>
> As to what I want to talk about, I was actually interested in what YOU want
> to do with respect to Lisp and games.? A hobby?? A livelihood? An altruistic
> activity to popularize Lisp?? Something else?? I hoped a discussion would
> help both clarify my own thinking and perhaps identify some opportunities
> for complementary endeavors.? But no sweat if it's not your idea of a good
> time.
>
> -jm
>
> -- John Morrison
>
> On Jul 21, 2011 9:47 PM, "David O&apos;Toole" <dto1138 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I could probably sum all this up by saying:
>>
>> 1. I don't want to discuss your unreleased work if you can't release
>> it until the agreement expires, because that fairly obviously signals
>> that it's covered by the agreement.
>>
>> 2. I really might give better answers if you told me in more detail
>> what you want to talk about.
>

---------------

Hi John,

before discussing things further I would want to be sure that our
conversation would not in itself cause a legal problem for me in the
future. i maintain a "clean room" for my projects, and left the
software industry partly in order to be completely free and clear from
any form of non-compete agreement, intellectual property/invention
assignment agreements, and non-disclosure, as my ethical precepts
disallow them. more to the point, I would need unambiguous assurance
that the unreleased code you just mentioned, and any ideas we discuss
(whether or not involved in the code, and whether or not i even see
the code) will NOT be affected in any way by the agreement still in
force between yourself and Mak.
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Hello David,

Sorry to be brief. ?Am on family vacation & using itsy-bitsy phone to
reply hopefully only to you. ?Am working on hopefully industrial
strength lisp based simulation/game. ?Am located in MA. ?Would love to
have a chat about what you're doing & what your goals are. ?Am under
non-compete with simulation company I co-founded & sold (mak.com) -
agreement is up 21 Dec this year. ?Have code in the can - mostly
server stuff - but cannot release anything yet. ?Please reply if
interested in chatting - I'll buy.

-jm

-- John Morrison

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From dto1138 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 20:19:22 2011
From: dto1138 at gmail.com (David O'Toole)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:19:22 -0400
Subject: [boston-lisp] a bit of context
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I felt obligated to disclose this email train because other
programmers (possibly those on this list whom he may contact
privately) should know that:

1. whatever he open-sources (before or after dec 21) may be subject
to non-compete issues and patents;

2. Asking pointed questions about both non-compete and patents
did not produce satisfying or complete answers, in that:

3. He appears to have danced around the non-compete issue, mentioning
the agreement and its expiration date in the first email but then
trying to explain
why it wasn't going to be relevant to our discussion;

4. I had to find out about the patent from Google, even though it seems pretty
reasonable to wonder whether a networked method for calculating
newtonian physics
interactions in a simulated virtual world could apply to server code
for an online game,
AND even though I had specifically mentioned patents as a general concern.

If anything, my privately negative reaction to the non-compete
agreement issue might have kept others from hearing about it later,
which could be a problem, since the non-compete issue is what led me
to the patent.

If Mr. Morrison has violated any agreements in talking to me, that's
not my problem.