From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Thu Jan 15 20:55:16 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 21:55:16 +0100 Subject: [admin] test, please ignore Message-ID: this is a test, please ignore this msg. From edi at agharta.de Fri Jan 23 10:58:40 2004 From: edi at agharta.de (Edi Weitz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:58:40 +0100 Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects In-Reply-To: (Mario Mommer's message of "Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:20:46 +0100") References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:20:46 +0100, Mario Mommer wrote: >> Plus, it would be nice if I could use a common-lisp.net mailing >> list for "The Regex Coach" as >> well. This application is not "open source" but it's freeware. I >> don't know if this kind of software is covered by your acceptance >> policies but I think the program is a good poster child for Common >> Lisp... :) > > That's a good question. I don't see a problem with this particular > app. For this app I approve. Any news on that one? Thanks, Edi. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Fri Jan 23 11:47:07 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:47:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects In-Reply-To: References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Edi Weitz wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:20:46 +0100, Mario Mommer wrote: > > That's a good question. I don't see a problem with this particular > > app. For this app I approve. > Any news on that one? We're setting up a separate project for "orphaned" mailing lists (lists that don't have a corresponding clnet prjoject). Regex-coach list could/would be hosted under this, if that is acceptable to you. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From edi at agharta.de Fri Jan 23 12:51:34 2004 From: edi at agharta.de (Edi Weitz) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:51:34 +0100 Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects In-Reply-To: (Nikodemus Siivola's message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:47:07 +0200 (EET)") References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:47:07 +0200 (EET), Nikodemus Siivola wrote: > We're setting up a separate project for "orphaned" mailing lists > (lists that don't have a corresponding clnet prjoject). Regex-coach > list could/would be hosted under this, if that is acceptable to you. Yes, sure, that'd be fine with me. Let me know when you're done with it. Thanks and have a nice weekend, Edi. From eenge at prium.net Fri Jan 2 14:15:28 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:15:28 -0500 Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects In-Reply-To: (Mario Mommer's message of "Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:37:27 +0100") References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de> <878ykwt06o.fsf@bird.agharta.de> Message-ID: <87brpm77y7.fsf@prium.net> Mario Mommer writes: > Nikodemus Siivola and Erik Enge still have to give their votes. When > that happens, you get further instructions by mail (essentially > p4sswords, &.c. if all went well.) I approve. Erik. From erik at nittin.net Wed Jan 28 13:17:25 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:17:25 -0500 Subject: [admin] Application for a number of projects In-Reply-To: References: <87k74jyqi9.fsf@bird.agharta.de>

Message-ID: Edi Weitz wrote: > Yes, sure, that'd be fine with me. Let me know when you're done with > it. Would you like a suffix to your list (regex-coach-help, -talk, -devel) or just regex-coach? Erik. From e9626484 at stud3.tuwien.ac.at Fri Jan 2 09:55:21 2004 From: e9626484 at stud3.tuwien.ac.at (Helmut Eller) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:55:21 +0100 Subject: [admin] More SLIME CVS users Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi common-lisp.net'ers, could you give CVS commit rights for SLIME to Wolfgang Jenkner and "sedachv" please? Thanks! Wolfgang and Vladimir, I think you have to send your PGP keys to admin at common-lisp.net. See [1]. I placed my public PGP key under ~heller/pubkey.asc, but I think Erik Enge hasn't sent me any confirmation yet. Should I do something else? Helmut. [1] http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/admin/2003-December/000299.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE/9UARjpM99BhuC3IRAhmsAJ4pgeHT8YupfkPuFVJ1jrzT0+MacACfZnuU +oS6suGFTaqR3HzaNWOHbfs= =nmZ4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eenge at prium.net Fri Jan 2 14:20:03 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:20:03 -0500 Subject: [admin] More SLIME CVS users In-Reply-To: (Helmut Eller's message of "Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:55:21 +0100") References: Message-ID: <877k0a77qk.fsf@prium.net> Helmut Eller writes: > could you give CVS commit rights for SLIME to Wolfgang Jenkner > and "sedachv" please? > Thanks! Not a problem, but as you point out: > Wolfgang and Vladimir, I think you have to send your PGP keys to > admin at common-lisp.net. See [1]. I'll need their PGP/GPG keys so I can encrypt passwords. > I placed my public PGP key under ~heller/pubkey.asc, but I think Erik > Enge hasn't sent me any confirmation yet. Should I do something else? Your key has been signed by the keymaster. I'm not sure what confirmation I may have promised you. :) Erik. From wjenkner at inode.at Tue Jan 6 00:48:47 2004 From: wjenkner at inode.at (Wolfgang Jenkner) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:48:47 -0000 Subject: [admin] More SLIME CVS users References: <877k0a77qk.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > Helmut Eller writes: > > > could you give CVS commit rights for SLIME to Wolfgang Jenkner > > and "sedachv" please? > > Thanks! > > Not a problem, but as you point out: > > > Wolfgang and Vladimir, I think you have to send your PGP keys to > > admin at common-lisp.net. See [1]. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBD/5+gwRBADSeZ0j7c0lbPXVIOK9WrLFJ7sywkbrIxQ7VqghNHkRxeNY00Ht JI1p/Oj7R0ze59uY3fLqE/oSHA0CccAV4GvbahQjPh4qRsoNwltTP/JYGc/KfGL2 nH6OmXQC7LxwL5RvDCpuFLs8pDlKf5askXJD8iYaulVe7Ij+tLC0ThsvMwCgo+LE 6Mzwjd3nuHFDT8f41Gr4X38EAK46ylLUIrdSxyDW57czEZ+SVCBBZ9+DQKa6mSHy wKuvzC14IPGyzhhY5dka6jJ5P261Ay4pb6muewhkpDT1dIQ7k8Tjy2NpMJlXRKBe hAgxVm+h8p48CuKCef9B5GuvRjw6GzKhNbCsg49qmJqp1r8N7IB0SsBFwAz5f/XH FZLBBACkuHARFt8WQ09k7Q8vxDIeXsqXJ41jyt6vpTfgIKAZX4wwbPn2xMbVhYN6 4JIROOUZ4HyKaXbZHiLHP37QyGETlg8Uuk7j+YSabWxdFQ5z92TmZhc/is9UDFRE jjF7ZLggmjV5vjOnxqfkm/xv4u4xEDwJQOS8keg6T+Yd89svi7Q6V29sZmdhbmcg SmVua25lciAoYWxnZWJyYSBhbmQgYW5hcmNoeSkgPHdqZW5rbmVyQGlub2RlLmF0 PoheBBMRAgAeBQI/+foMAhsDBgsJCAcDAgMVAgMDFgIBAh4BAheAAAoJEFOyjxfQ gBIdIxMAnj14zeKnsCUPmPsI2Alqzt6ICtByAJ9pV6GSFkSWCylDiU7l4o2vaA2W S7kBDQQ/+foREAQAu17uVxv8KOxO9hYzjmOWb8Kd+hF2jYD+OGV1Mm0VrdFkbIJP MyGLGEo/63IO2WitIMBnyE0mHVNDQb9njOVoU8FhLoDvi81WDLZ1uozWnukd7+iE F81R2MO4n92jw0MrOeGjJuoKM6aun3U5vRovpDZx3EywjhsOBxoeMiZjvtcAAwUD +wckSXrlJN9EaLMhSV+rxhcOodNAy/Yk5kd840VYrPvjoMiccEr83ho51wZlukRO 4T43fAwr4cAcDjAtipL9IuY8f47WlAeGXUd5zPR7cYIsfbsWO5jOqg/nsYVNGDeI xfki3QdoCVPRzH/nQL8bCC43w7KdN3ZRujbV+ilJZe77iEkEGBECAAkFAj/5+hEC GwwACgkQU7KPF9CAEh08+ACff1mhugfq9EkgL+DuFR5wet4uaoIAn0WRVZxGrlgq 4Vi2pOXe/jPZlVqO =AyxS -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From amoroso at mclink.it Fri Jan 2 16:55:44 2004 From: amoroso at mclink.it (Paolo Amoroso) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:55:44 +0100 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list Message-ID: <8765fub88f.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it> Within the past few days I have tried a half dozen times to subscribe to the Common-Lisp.net `announcements' mailing list, but without success. In all cases I don't receive the automated confirmation request message. Paolo -- Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film From eenge at prium.net Fri Jan 2 18:52:28 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:52:28 -0500 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: (Paolo Amoroso's message of "Fri, 02 Jan 2004 17:55:44 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> Paolo Amoroso writes: > Within the past few days I have tried a half dozen times to subscribe > to the Common-Lisp.net `announcements' mailing list, but without > success. In all cases I don't receive the automated confirmation > request message. I just tried it myself and it worked for me. I see in the Exim logfiles that emails are being sent to you: 2004-01-01 14:48:07 1Ac8nd-0002vg-00 => amoroso-owner at mclink.it R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mailhub.mclink.it [195.110.128.6] 2004-01-01 14:48:07 1Ac8nd-0002vg-00 Completed I'm not sure why Mailman sends it to -owner but there's probably some point to it. Will that cause it to fail at your end? I'd be happy to correct anything that might be wrong at this end but I'm not sure what that could be. Erik. From amoroso at mclink.it Fri Jan 2 19:49:08 2004 From: amoroso at mclink.it (Paolo Amoroso) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:49:08 +0100 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> (Erik Enge's message of "Fri, 02 Jan 2004 13:52:28 -0500") References: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: <87lloquo5n.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it> Erik Enge writes: > I just tried it myself and it worked for me. I see in the Exim logfiles > that emails are being sent to you: > > 2004-01-01 14:48:07 1Ac8nd-0002vg-00 => amoroso-owner at mclink.it R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mailhub.mclink.it [195.110.128.6] > 2004-01-01 14:48:07 1Ac8nd-0002vg-00 Completed > > I'm not sure why Mailman sends it to -owner but there's probably > some point to it. Will that cause it to fail at your end? I'd be happy Yes, this is most probably likely to cause a failure at my end. There's no account amoroso-owner. I'm puzzled: just minutes before trying with `announcements', I was able to subscribe to `admin' just fine using the address amoroso at mclink.it. Paolo -- Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film From eenge at prium.net Fri Jan 2 21:15:10 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:15:10 -0500 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: (Paolo Amoroso's message of "Fri, 02 Jan 2004 20:49:08 +0100") References: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: <871xqi59y9.fsf@prium.net> Paolo Amoroso writes: > Yes, this is most probably likely to cause a failure at my > end. There's no account amoroso-owner. Some MTAs (Exim, at least) will just pass on - to . I use erik-@nittin.net when I subscribe to some company's website. That way I can 1) track where my spam originated and 2) redirect erik-@nittin.net to sales@.com so they get their own spam. > I'm puzzled: just minutes before trying with `announcements', I was > able to subscribe to `admin' just fine using the address > amoroso at mclink.it. There must be something fishy going on. I don't have the time to look closer into this right now so I've gone ahead and subscribed you manually (did you get the confirmation?). Hopefully this won't happen again but if it does I'll obviously have to schedule some time to track this down. Thanks for your patients, Erik. From amoroso at mclink.it Sat Jan 3 11:00:03 2004 From: amoroso at mclink.it (Paolo Amoroso) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:00:03 +0100 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: <871xqi59y9.fsf@prium.net> (Erik Enge's message of "Fri, 02 Jan 2004 16:15:10 -0500") References: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> <871xqi59y9.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: <87vfnts3f0.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it> Erik Enge writes: > Some MTAs (Exim, at least) will just pass on - to > . I use erik-@nittin.net when I subscribe to some I use qmail on a Linux box. But note that I have dial-up access to the Internet via a vacuum tubes modem, so my ISP's MTA, which I contact via POP3, may not understand the trick :) > There must be something fishy going on. I don't have the time to look > closer into this right now so I've gone ahead and subscribed you > manually (did you get the confirmation?). Hopefully this won't happen Unfortunately, I haven't received any confirmation message yet. Paolo -- Why Lisp? http://alu.cliki.net/RtL%20Highlight%20Film From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 5 12:50:03 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:50:03 +0100 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: <87vfnts3f0.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it> References: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> <871xqi59y9.fsf@prium.net> <87vfnts3f0.fsf@plato.moon.paoloamoroso.it> Message-ID: Paolo Amoroso writes: > Erik Enge writes: > > > Some MTAs (Exim, at least) will just pass on - to > > . I use erik-@nittin.net when I subscribe to some > > I use qmail on a Linux box. But note that I have dial-up access to the > Internet via a vacuum tubes modem, so my ISP's MTA, which I contact > via POP3, may not understand the trick :) This trick works with most MTAs, but it is rarely turned on by admins. > > There must be something fishy going on. I don't have the time to look > > closer into this right now so I've gone ahead and subscribed you > > manually (did you get the confirmation?). Hopefully this won't happen I think we should change this. Regards, Mario. From eenge at prium.net Mon Jan 5 18:39:23 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:39:23 -0500 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: (Paolo Amoroso's message of "Sat, 03 Jan 2004 12:00:03 +0100") References: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> <871xqi59y9.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: <877k0644v8.fsf@prium.net> Paolo Amoroso writes: > Unfortunately, I haven't received any confirmation message yet. I've identified what makes the -owner addition to the email address (the umbrella_member_suffix option) and I guess there is a reason for it being turned on. Nikodemus will know and hopefully enlighten us as he returns. In the mean time, you're subscribed and you should receive any emails sent to the mailinglist. Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 5 20:09:56 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 21:09:56 +0100 Subject: [admin] Can't subscribe to `announcements' list In-Reply-To: <877k0644v8.fsf@prium.net> References: <87isju5gk3.fsf@prium.net> <871xqi59y9.fsf@prium.net> <877k0644v8.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > Paolo Amoroso writes: > > > Unfortunately, I haven't received any confirmation message yet. > > I've identified what makes the -owner addition to the email address (the > umbrella_member_suffix option) and I guess there is a reason for it > being turned on. Nikodemus will know and hopefully enlighten us as he > returns. In the mean time, you're subscribed and you should receive any > emails sent to the mailinglist. I've been thinking about it for a while, and while there might be reasons, It certainly is disfunctional as it is right now. The only reason I can think of for this configuration is that if someone wants to subscribe a list, he does not want the confirmation message to go to the whole list. Mario. From simon at limmat.switch.ch Sun Jan 4 13:31:16 2004 From: simon at limmat.switch.ch (Simon Leinen) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:31:16 +0100 Subject: [admin] Request for project hosting: cl-snmp Message-ID: <16376.5540.362759.174033@limmat.switch.ch> Dear common-lisp.net administrators, I'm thrilled to see that common-lisp.net is rapidly gaining momentum as a forum for open-source software developers. I have a few projects that I would like to share with others, and would like to make use of the infrastructure provided by common-lisp.net. The first project is called "cl-snmp". I have developed it more than ten years ago, and have been distributing it on a Web site: http://www.switch.ch/misc/leinen/snmp/lisp/ I sometimes refer to it as "SYSMAN" and sometimes as "lisp-snmp", but I would like to take the opportunity to rename it to "cl-snmp". This code implements version 1 and (community-based) version 2 of the Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP). It is a library that can be used to develop network management applications. The code works (or at least worked at some point) on Allegro CL, CMU CL, SBCL, and Genera. I still use it all the time under Allegro. For remote access, it would be most convenient if I could use an account named "leinen", which I can access using SSHv2 with my private key. The public key is attached to this message. With kind regards and best wishes for 2004, -- Simon Leinen. http://www.switch.ch/misc/leinen/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: id_dsa.pub Type: application/octet-stream Size: 602 bytes Desc: My SSHv2 DSA public key URL: From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 5 12:58:20 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:58:20 +0100 Subject: [admin] Request for project hosting: cl-snmp In-Reply-To: <16376.5540.362759.174033@limmat.switch.ch> References: <16376.5540.362759.174033@limmat.switch.ch> Message-ID: Simon Leinen writes: > I'm thrilled to see that common-lisp.net is rapidly gaining momentum > as a forum for open-source software developers. I have a few projects > that I would like to share with others, and would like to make use of > the infrastructure provided by common-lisp.net. That's nice! Bring them on, then. > The first project is called "cl-snmp". I have developed it more than > ten years ago, and have been distributing it on a Web site: > > http://www.switch.ch/misc/leinen/snmp/lisp/ > > I sometimes refer to it as "SYSMAN" and sometimes as "lisp-snmp", but > I would like to take the opportunity to rename it to "cl-snmp". Fair enough. What is the licence? > This code implements version 1 and (community-based) version 2 of the > Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP). It is a library that can > be used to develop network management applications. The code works > (or at least worked at some point) on Allegro CL, CMU CL, SBCL, and > Genera. I still use it all the time under Allegro. Sounds good. > For remote access, it would be most convenient if I could use an > account named "leinen", which I can access using SSHv2 with my private > key. The public key is attached to this message. The policy here is first letter from the first name, and then the surname. Your username would be sleinen... sorry! > With kind regards and best wishes for 2004, Best wishes, too! :) Mario. From eenge at prium.net Mon Jan 5 18:26:37 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 13:26:37 -0500 Subject: [admin] Request for project hosting: cl-snmp In-Reply-To: (Simon Leinen's message of "Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:31:16 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87brpi45gi.fsf@prium.net> Simon Leinen writes: > The first project is called "cl-snmp". I have developed it more than > ten years ago, and have been distributing it on a Web site: Cool; what license is it released under? > For remote access, it would be most convenient if I could use an > account named "leinen", which I can access using SSHv2 with my private > key. The public key is attached to this message. Like Mario mentioned, sleinen is all we can offer but SSHv2 and using a private key to authenticate is not a problem (it's what I personally use). Mario, do you know where Nikodemus is? We've left Edi hanging for too long, I feel and I don't want the same to happen to Simon. Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Mon Jan 5 19:58:59 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:58:59 +0100 Subject: [admin] Request for project hosting: cl-snmp In-Reply-To: <87brpi45gi.fsf@prium.net> References: <87brpi45gi.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > Mario, do you know where Nikodemus is? Nope. > We've left Edi hanging for too > long, I feel and I don't want the same to happen to Simon. If you would like to go ahead and add the pending projects (that would be Edis, right?), I think it would be ok. Regards, Mario. From simon at limmat.switch.ch Tue Jan 6 23:03:04 2004 From: simon at limmat.switch.ch (Simon Leinen) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 00:03:04 +0100 Subject: [admin] Request for project hosting: cl-snmp In-Reply-To: <87brpi45gi.fsf@prium.net> References: <87brpi45gi.fsf@prium.net> Message-ID: <16379.16040.611170.212326@limmat.switch.ch> Erik Enge writes: > Simon Leinen writes: >> The first project is called "cl-snmp". I have developed it more than >> ten years ago, and have been distributing it on a Web site: > Cool; what license is it released under? I'll put it under LGPL (until now there was no explicit license; bad idea I know). >> For remote access, it would be most convenient if I could use an >> account named "leinen", which I can access using SSHv2 with my >> private key. The public key is attached to this message. > Like Mario mentioned, sleinen is all we can offer but SSHv2 and > using a private key to authenticate is not a problem (it's what I > personally use). Ok, great. I hadn't seen Mario's message, probably wasn't in the loop. > Mario, do you know where Nikodemus is? We've left Edi hanging for > too long, I feel and I don't want the same to happen to Simon. Regards & thanks for working on this, -- Simon. From eenge at prium.net Fri Jan 9 19:06:04 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:06:04 -0500 Subject: [admin] Request for project hosting: cl-snmp In-Reply-To: (Simon Leinen's message of "Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:31:16 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87isjluelf.fsf@prium.net> Simon Leinen writes: > The first project is called "cl-snmp". I have developed it more than > ten years ago, and have been distributing it on a Web site: I have created your project. I'll need your GPG/PGP public key so I can encrypt your password and send it back to you. Erik. From root at common-lisp.net Mon Jan 5 14:06:34 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 09:06:34 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-irc; owned by eenge Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.05.09.06. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Jan 6 16:27:06 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:27:06 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-ppcre; owned by eweitz Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.06.11.27. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Jan 6 16:27:22 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:27:22 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-gd; owned by eweitz Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.06.11.27. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Jan 6 16:27:40 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:27:40 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-who; owned by eweitz Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.06.11.27. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Jan 6 16:28:00 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:28:00 -0500 Subject: [admin] added html-template; owned by eweitz Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.06.11.28. From root at common-lisp.net Tue Jan 6 16:28:17 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:28:17 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-interpol; owned by eweitz Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.06.11.28. From frodef at cs.uit.no Fri Jan 9 15:25:01 2004 From: frodef at cs.uit.no (Frode Vatvedt Fjeld) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:25:01 +0100 Subject: [admin] Project Movitz Message-ID: <2hsmipf8ky.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> Hello, I'd like to ask to have my Movitz project hosted by common-lisp.net. Its current home-page is at , and its BSD-style license at . My current CVS repository is about 5-6 MB. However I plan to start a new CVS repository, and so I expect its size to start out at about half that size. I'd be interested to know if I'll have access to the repository files, in order to make private backups? Regards, -- Frode Vatvedt Fjeld From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Jan 9 15:37:38 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:37:38 +0100 Subject: [admin] Project Movitz In-Reply-To: <2hsmipf8ky.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> References: <2hsmipf8ky.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> Message-ID: Hi, Frode Vatvedt Fjeld writes: > Hello, I'd like to ask to have my Movitz project hosted by > common-lisp.net. > > Its current home-page is at > , and its BSD-style license > at . Great! i.e, I approve. > I'd be interested to know if I'll have access to the repository files, > in order to make private backups? AFAICT, yes. Regards, Mario. From eenge at prium.net Fri Jan 9 15:31:35 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:31:35 -0500 Subject: [admin] Project Movitz In-Reply-To: (Frode Vatvedt Fjeld's message of "Fri, 09 Jan 2004 16:25:01 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87r7y9uoiw.fsf@prium.net> Frode Vatvedt Fjeld writes: > Hello, I'd like to ask to have my Movitz project hosted by > common-lisp.net. Approved! > I'd be interested to know if I'll have access to the repository files, > in order to make private backups? Yes, as described in http://www.common-lisp.net/project-intro.shtml your files will be in /project/movitz/cvsroot which you are the owner of and you can access them with your ssh account. Feel free to copy files offline and make backups. Erik. From root at common-lisp.net Fri Jan 9 19:00:51 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:00:51 -0500 Subject: [admin] added cl-snmp; owned by sleinen Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.09.14.00. From root at common-lisp.net Fri Jan 9 19:01:25 2004 From: root at common-lisp.net (root) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:01:25 -0500 Subject: [admin] added movitz; owned by ffjeld Message-ID: Add successful at 2004.01.09.14.01. From frodef at cs.uit.no Tue Jan 13 13:26:44 2004 From: frodef at cs.uit.no (Frode Vatvedt Fjeld) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:26:44 +0100 Subject: [admin] Re: CVS browsing of different modules References: <2hbrp8kmk2.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> Message-ID: <2h7jzwkmi3.fsf@vserver.cs.uit.no> Oh typical. I figured it out about 5 seconds later. -- Frode Vatvedt Fjeld From lipski at z.pl Wed Jan 14 20:45:33 2004 From: lipski at z.pl (Tomek Lipski) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:45:33 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting Message-ID: <4005AA6D.70206@z.pl> Hi! I've started to write a tiny project implementing model-view-controller architecture under portable allegro serve (similiar to what is for allegro CL, but mine works under CMUCL). It supports session, cookies, forms, http request contexts (for request chains) and generally works, but still requires testing, optimization and many bells and whistles (like form validation). Of course i would like to host this project (with public domain license) on common-lisp.net. My name is Tomek Lipski, i study Telecommunication in Warsaw, Poland and i'm still learning Common Lisp. Let me know if you need any additional information about the project or myself. Best regards, Tomek Lipski From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jan 14 23:55:52 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:55:52 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: <4005AA6D.70206@z.pl> References: <4005AA6D.70206@z.pl> Message-ID: Hi Tomek! Tomek Lipski writes: > I've started to write a tiny project implementing > model-view-controller architecture under portable allegro serve > (similiar to what is for allegro CL, but mine works under CMUCL). > It supports session, cookies, forms, http request contexts (for > request chains) and generally works, but still requires testing, > optimization and many bells and whistles (like form validation). > Of course i would like to host this project (with public domain license) > on common-lisp.net. Yikes, how do we handle that? My only "problem" (it isn't really a problem) is that there should be some sort of legal document (which can be a plain old text file, like all the other licenses), that clearly states your intent. You may want to take a look at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ and in particular http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cpl.php There is also the "short but sweet" option. It is essentially a public domain license, as far as I understand: The MIT license http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php So, up to this minor point, consider your project approved. > My name is Tomek Lipski, i study Telecommunication in Warsaw, Poland > and i'm still learning Common Lisp. Welcome! Regards, Mario. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Thu Jan 15 00:00:59 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:00:59 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: References: <4005AA6D.70206@z.pl> Message-ID: Mario Mommer writes: > So, up to this minor point, consider your project approved. By me, that is. I do not take this decission alone :) Regards, Mario. From eenge at prium.net Thu Jan 15 16:39:36 2004 From: eenge at prium.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:39:36 -0500 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: (Tomek Lipski's message of "Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:45:33 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87fzehp3nb.fsf@prium.net> Tomek Lipski writes: > Of course i would like to host this project (with public domain > license) on common-lisp.net. Sounds good to me. What's the name of the project? Erik. From lipski at z.pl Thu Jan 15 23:16:29 2004 From: lipski at z.pl (Tomek Lipski) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:16:29 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <40071F4D.8060302@z.pl> Mario Mommer wrote: > Hi Tomek, > > New as we are, we have had a configuration problem, so our replies > have gone to the list and not to you :) > > You can read them here: > > http://www.common-lisp.net/macho-archives/admin/2004-1/index.html Thanks, great :), i was thinking about BSD license, something like that: Copyright (c) 2003, 2004, Tomasz Lipski All rights reserved. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * The name of the author(s) nor the names of their contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission. THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. Best regards, Tomek Lipski P.S. I still dont have name for the project - cl-mvc doesn't sound too good for me... From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Jan 16 21:59:37 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:59:37 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: <40071F4D.8060302@z.pl> References:

<40071F4D.8060302@z.pl> Message-ID: Tomek Lipski writes: > i was thinking about BSD license, something like that: > > Copyright (c) 2003, 2004, Tomasz Lipski > All rights reserved. > > Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without > modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are > met: > > * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above > copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer > in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the > distribution. > * The name of the author(s) nor the names of their contributors > may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software > without specific prior written permission. > > THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS > "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT > LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR > A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT > OWNER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, > SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT > LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, > DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY > THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT > (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE > OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. Ok. Make sure to add this (for example in afile called COPYING.txt) to your source. > P.S. I still dont have name for the project - cl-mvc doesn't sound too > good for me... Hm... Well, that's an issue, of course :) Regards, Mario. From Lipski at z.pl Tue Jan 20 17:10:43 2004 From: Lipski at z.pl (Tomek Lipski) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:10:43 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting Message-ID: <20040120171043.GA394@bandera.pl> Mario wrote: >> P.S. I still dont have name for the project - cl-mvc doesn't sound too >> good for me... > > Hm... Well, that's an issue, of course :) Finally I managed to came up with a name - Ganelon - sounds fine ? Best regards, Tomek Lipski From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jan 21 14:45:15 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:45:15 +0100 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: <20040120171043.GA394@bandera.pl> References: <20040120171043.GA394@bandera.pl> Message-ID: Tomek Lipski writes: > Mario wrote: > >> P.S. I still dont have name for the project - cl-mvc doesn't sound too > >> good for me... > > > > Hm... Well, that's an issue, of course :) > Finally I managed to came up with a name - Ganelon - sounds fine ? To me It does. I approve. Regards, Mario. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Thu Jan 22 08:41:39 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:41:39 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20040120171043.GA394@bandera.pl> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Mario Mommer wrote: > > Finally I managed to came up with a name - Ganelon - sounds fine ? > > To me It does. I approve. I approve, -- Nikodemus Siivola From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Fri Jan 30 08:24:27 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:24:27 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: <20040120171043.GA394@bandera.pl> References: <20040120171043.GA394@bandera.pl> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Tomek Lipski wrote: > Finally I managed to came up with a name - Ganelon - sounds fine ? Fine by me. Approved. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From erik at nittin.net Thu Jan 22 16:07:39 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:07:39 -0500 Subject: [admin] project hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tomek Lipski wrote: > Finally I managed to came up with a name - Ganelon - sounds fine ? Cool, now all I need is your GPG/PGP public key so I can encrypt your password sending it back to you. Erik. From lgorrie at nortelnetworks.com Tue Jan 20 18:39:51 2004 From: lgorrie at nortelnetworks.com (Luke Gorrie) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:39:51 +0100 Subject: [admin] Adding mbaringer to slime-cvs Message-ID: Howdy commmon-lispers! Can we get Marco (mbaringer) added to the slime committers please? Cheers, Luke From erik at nittin.net Wed Jan 21 13:03:00 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:03:00 -0500 Subject: [admin] Adding mbaringer to slime-cvs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Luke Gorrie wrote: > Can we get Marco (mbaringer) added to the slime committers please? Done. Erik. From bmastenb at indiana.edu Tue Jan 20 20:40:29 2004 From: bmastenb at indiana.edu (Brian Mastenbrook) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:40:29 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list Message-ID: Hello, I'm wondering if cl.net can provide me with a mailing list (no project yet) dedicated to discussion of native (non-X11 non-emacs) UIs for lisp programming on OS X. Topics of discussion would include the OpenMCL Cocoa interface, porting hemlock to cocoa, what a good native CL IDE would feel like, structure editors, the McCLIM OpenGL backend, and the like. I'd like to have some kind of a place where these ideas are bounced. Would cl.net be willing to host this mac-ui list? Brian -- Brian Mastenbrook bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/ From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Wed Jan 21 08:48:58 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Teemu Siivola aka Demoss) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:48:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > like. I'd like to have some kind of a place where these ideas are > bounced. Would cl.net be willing to host this mac-ui list? I think this is a splendid idea, and approve. However, we're currently somewhat ill set up to handle non-project mailing lists, and hence I would suggest that (since this will hardly be the last non-project mailing list we may host) we set up a lists project as an umbrella for such lists. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola From erik at nittin.net Wed Jan 21 13:05:18 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:05:18 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Teemu Siivola aka Demoss wrote: > However, we're currently somewhat ill set up to handle non-project > mailing lists, and hence I would suggest that (since this will hardly be > the last non-project mailing list we may host) we set up a lists project > as an umbrella for such lists. I agree. Could we host Edi's not-entirely-free regex-coach there too? We don't really need a project for it. We could just create a new webpage on common-lisp.net and list all independed mailinglists there. Erik. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jan 21 14:44:17 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:44:17 +0100 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Erik Enge writes: > Teemu Siivola aka Demoss wrote: > > However, we're currently somewhat ill set up to handle non-project > > mailing lists, and hence I would suggest that (since this will hardly be > > the last non-project mailing list we may host) we set up a lists project > > as an umbrella for such lists. > > I agree. Yes, it is a good idea. > Could we host Edi's not-entirely-free regex-coach there too? > We don't really need a project for it. We could just create a new > webpage on common-lisp.net and list all independed mailinglists there. That would be a good solution. Regards, Mario. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Thu Jan 22 08:39:03 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:39:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: > I agree. Could we host Edi's not-entirely-free regex-coach there too? > We don't really need a project for it. We could just create a new > webpage on common-lisp.net and list all independed mailinglists there. Sounds good. For extra goodness those mailing lists could live under lists.common-lisp.net, so that we don't have to worry about clobbering the project namespace. OTOH, if all project based lists have foo- prefixes, this is really not an issue. (Just thinking out loud.) Cheers, -- Nikodemus From erik at nittin.net Fri Jan 23 14:13:43 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:13:43 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola wrote: > For extra goodness those mailing lists could live under > lists.common-lisp.net, so that we don't have to worry about clobbering the > project namespace. OTOH, if all project based lists have foo- prefixes, > this is really not an issue. (Just thinking out loud.) I like the prefix better (from a sysadm standpoint). What about "np" as in "no project". So, "np-regex-coach at common-lisp.net", for instance. This precludes any project ever being named "np". Erik. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Tue Jan 27 09:24:57 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:24:57 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: > I like the prefix better (from a sysadm standpoint). What about "np" > as in "no project". So, "np-regex-coach at common-lisp.net", for instance. > This precludes any project ever being named "np". Suits me. Other, more verbose, but possibly less confusing prefix would be "list". So list-regexr-coach at common-lisp.net etc. Either is fine with me. Cheers, -- Nikodemus From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Tue Jan 27 10:03:22 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 11:03:22 +0100 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > > I like the prefix better (from a sysadm standpoint). What about "np" > > as in "no project". So, "np-regex-coach at common-lisp.net", for instance. > > This precludes any project ever being named "np". > > Suits me. Other, more verbose, but possibly less confusing prefix would be > "list". > > So list-regexr-coach at common-lisp.net etc. > > Either is fine with me. With me too. The only problem I see is what to do if the owner decides to host the project on c-l net? (this might not be probable in this case, but maybe in others). How about just regex-coach-{devel|announce|help}@common-lisp.net just no project? Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Tue Jan 27 17:26:08 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:26:08 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Mario Mommer wrote: > How about just > > regex-coach-{devel|announce|help}@common-lisp.net > > just no project? Ok, good point. Then I guess Brian's list would have to be mac-ui-devel. All ok with this? If so I'll go ahead and set up the two lists and create the extra webpage that enumerates all of these no-project lists. Erik. From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Wed Jan 28 11:11:49 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:11:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Erik Enge wrote: > Mario Mommer wrote: > > How about just > > > > regex-coach-{devel|announce|help}@common-lisp.net > > > > just no project? > > Ok, good point. Then I guess Brian's list would have to be > mac-ui-devel. All ok with this? If so I'll go ahead and set I'm ok. Though I'd suggest that we offer the choise of postfix to the original requester. For some -talk, or -list may be preferable. While on the topic: though I like the default of -devel, -help, and -announce, for most hosted projects this is actually a bit excessive: -devel would seem to be enough. As a result we host a huge number of stale lists, and while this is essentially "free" for us, it increases the likelyhood that someone interested in project foo will subscribe to a dead list and wonder where eveyone is... Hence, I'd like to suggest that we from now on would by default generate only -devel list for new projects, unless they request more. Projects prior to 1.0 seldom need -help or -announce. What do you think? Cheers, -- Nikodemus From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Wed Jan 28 12:25:05 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:25:05 +0100 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > While on the topic: though I like the default of -devel, -help, and > -announce, for most hosted projects this is actually a bit excessive: > -devel would seem to be enough. As a result we host a huge number of stale > lists, and while this is essentially "free" for us, it increases the > likelyhood that someone interested in project foo will subscribe to a dead > list and wonder where eveyone is... > > Hence, I'd like to suggest that we from now on would by default generate > only -devel list for new projects, unless they request more. Projects > prior to 1.0 seldom need -help or -announce. > > What do you think? I think that your idea is good. But IIRC, we've had this discussion before, and the conclusion was that since the current policy minimizes the amount of administration, it is better. I wonder if better tools could add flexibility to this and keep the administration overhead almost as low. Regards, Mario. From erik at nittin.net Wed Jan 28 13:12:36 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:12:36 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola wrote: > I'm ok. Though I'd suggest that we offer the choise of postfix to the > original requester. For some -talk, or -list may be preferable. Fair enough. > Hence, I'd like to suggest that we from now on would by default generate > only -devel list for new projects, unless they request more. Projects > prior to 1.0 seldom need -help or -announce. (We don't have -help, though we do have -cvs.) If it is a problem we can change it. You get to decide. :) Erik. From erik at nittin.net Wed Jan 28 13:16:09 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:16:09 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4017B619.8020907@nittin.net> Brian Mastenbrook wrote: > I'm wondering if cl.net can provide me with a mailing list (no project > yet) dedicated to discussion of native (non-X11 non-emacs) UIs for lisp > programming on OS X. Topics of discussion would include the OpenMCL > Cocoa interface, porting hemlock to cocoa, what a good native CL IDE > would feel like, structure editors, the McCLIM OpenGL backend, and the > like. I'd like to have some kind of a place where these ideas are > bounced. Would cl.net be willing to host this mac-ui list? Brian, we've finally made a decision. Do you want a suffix to your list or just mac-ui? Erik. From erik at nittin.net Wed Jan 28 13:16:29 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:16:29 -0500 Subject: [admin] Hosting a mailing list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4017B62D.4090801@nittin.net> Brian Mastenbrook wrote: > I'm wondering if cl.net can provide me with a mailing list (no project > yet) dedicated to discussion of native (non-X11 non-emacs) UIs for lisp > programming on OS X. Topics of discussion would include the OpenMCL > Cocoa interface, porting hemlock to cocoa, what a good native CL IDE > would feel like, structure editors, the McCLIM OpenGL backend, and the > like. I'd like to have some kind of a place where these ideas are > bounced. Would cl.net be willing to host this mac-ui list? Brian, we've finally made a decision. Do you want a suffix to your list or just mac-ui? Erik. From heow at alphageeksinc.com Fri Jan 30 01:18:20 2004 From: heow at alphageeksinc.com (Heow Eide-Goodman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:18:20 -0000 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project Message-ID: <1075382515.545.20.camel@sushi> Hi there, LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which contains: * 3 complete Lisp Deveopment Systems * 3 full length books * numbers of tutorials, references, etc. ...all in a single integrated environment. It debuted at Linux World Expo with almost 100 CDs given out to interested individuals. Someone enjoyed it so much, they came back the next day to give LispNYC.org a $20 donation! Anyway, the problem is that LispNYC is running on DSL and cannot host an ISO, which is why I'd like to include it on common-lisp.net. We expect anywhere between 2 and 10 downloads per week (currently a steady 3 requests per week) and I'd also be setting up a mailing list etc. But due to the fact that there exists within the CD: * copyrighted software (Allegro CL and LispWorks) * copyrighted work (Successful Lisp, OnLisp) and the fact that various authors specifically request that: * they retain copyright to their work * it not enter the 'public domain' * the CD remain free of charge ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works falling under a more lenient license. Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) Thanks, - Heow From tsiivola at cc.hut.fi Fri Jan 30 07:55:34 2004 From: tsiivola at cc.hut.fi (Nikodemus Siivola) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:55:34 +0200 (EET) Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: <1075382515.545.20.camel@sushi> References: <1075382515.545.20.camel@sushi> Message-ID: > LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which This sounds way cool! > Anyway, the problem is that LispNYC is running on DSL and cannot host an > ISO, which is why I'd like to include it on common-lisp.net. We expect > anywhere between 2 and 10 downloads per week (currently a steady 3 > requests per week) and I'd also be setting up a mailing list etc. > > But due to the fact that there exists within the CD: > > * copyrighted software (Allegro CL and LispWorks) > * copyrighted work (Successful Lisp, OnLisp) > > and the fact that various authors specifically request that: > > * they retain copyright to their work > * it not enter the 'public domain' > * the CD remain free of charge > > ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in > without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different > license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works > falling under a more lenient license. I see. Mailing list(s) should be no problem, but I'm a bit unclear on what else you would like to have? > Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. Would what about ftp://ftp.common-lisp.net/pub/.../lispnyc-cd/? Would that count as LispNYC distributing it? If so, *I* think (remains to see how others perceive this) that we could set you up for FTP and mailing lists despite the license. Cheers, -- Nikodemus Siivola PS. As an administrative aside, I still think we should have ftp look something like this: pub/ projects/... as is extra/... Wierd special cases like the LispNYC CD that aren't projects, but still need FTP upload. cclan/... We should become a CCLAN node. cclan-incoming/... Public uploads for CCLAN stuff, gets pushed to cclan/ if signatures match the previous package (or maybe a list of authorized sigs for that package). -ns From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Jan 30 08:22:55 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:22:55 +0100 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: References: <1075382515.545.20.camel@sushi> Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > > LispNYC.org has created a free self-booting Lisp Education CD which > > This sounds way cool! Indeed! > I see. Mailing list(s) should be no problem, but I'm a bit unclear on > what else you would like to have? > > > Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. > > Would what about ftp://ftp.common-lisp.net/pub/.../lispnyc-cd/? Would > that count as LispNYC distributing it? > > If so, *I* think (remains to see how others perceive this) that we could > set you up for FTP and mailing lists despite the license. The only thing that bothers me is the legal part. It is hard to see how putting it in our ftp qualifies as lispNYC distributing it. I say, mailing lists & web page: no problem. FTP : only if we can be reasonably sure that we are not going to have a problem. What means reasonably sure? Good question. Regards, Mario. From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Jan 30 08:24:04 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:24:04 +0100 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: References: <1075382515.545.20.camel@sushi> Message-ID: Nikodemus Siivola writes: > PS. As an administrative aside, I still think we should have ftp look > something like this: > > pub/ > > projects/... as is > > extra/... Wierd special cases like the LispNYC CD that aren't > projects, but still need FTP upload. > > cclan/... We should become a CCLAN node. > > cclan-incoming/... > > Public uploads for CCLAN stuff, gets pushed to cclan/ if > signatures match the previous package (or maybe a list > of authorized sigs for that package). Sounds good! Mario. From erik at nittin.net Fri Jan 30 11:29:19 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:29:19 -0500 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <401A400F.40706@nittin.net> Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in > without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different > license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works > falling under a more lenient license. > > Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. > We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute > the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) To be explicit: you're wanting us to put the CD on common-lisp.net available for download (sounds great) but only you, the ALU or LispNYC.org can legally distribute it? I don't see how common-lisp.net could legally distribute it in that case? Erik. From heow at alphageeksinc.com Fri Jan 30 16:04:33 2004 From: heow at alphageeksinc.com (Heow Eide-Goodman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:04:33 -0000 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project Message-ID: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> Nikodemus, Erik, and Mario, Everyone brought up a good point regarding the legalities of the distribution, I'll actually refer this to my legal guy but I don't see this as a problem. For instance, if someone copied the ISO and put it on Common-Lisp.net, that would clearly be a violation. However, this is a living breathing project that is currently well over a year old now. We have many plans and directons to take the CD which means that it's not something I'm going to drop it on your site then forget about. I'll be needing to update the documentation, web-page and ISO image anywhere between a bi-weekly to monthly basis. I'd also like to count the downloads and keep in touch with users via mailing lists etc. With that much artistic control at my disposal, the relationship between myself/LispNYC and Common-Lisp.net becomes one of collaberation and resource sharing rather than Common-Lisp.net simply 'distributing' it. I've attached the CD license for your pleasure, if there is anything that concerns you about it I'd be happy to modify it. ...for instance I can think of adding Common-Lisp.net (or a similiar clause) falling under the umbrella of liability. FYI, although the license sounds like it expects the world to end, it is a standard format for things like compliations. Also the CD is based on the STABLE version of Knoppix. Interesting enough, both Nils Magnus and Klaus Knopper attended LinuxWorld AND the MuSIG group of LispNYC (yes, they are Lisp fans and musicians) where we talked shop, swapped pointers and doused my fears of a live CD actually breaking hardware. Thanks, - Heow -------------- next part -------------- TERMS OF USE PARTIES. This compilation, although generally offered on physical media such as a CD-ROM and which can also be issued as an ISO downloadable image or offered on alternative physical media or as an alternative electronic format, is hereby known as the "CD". The Association of Lisp Users, LispNYC and the maintainer Heow Eide-Goodman are hereby know as "licensor". LACK OF WARRANTY. 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Copyright (c) 2003, 2004 by Heow Eide-Goodman. All rights reserved. Individual files and software in the CD are owned by their respective copyright holders and are used with permission. This CD is not intended for redistribution without prior written permission. From erik at nittin.net Fri Jan 30 16:40:13 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:40:13 -0500 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> References: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> Message-ID: On Jan 29, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > Everyone brought up a good point regarding the legalities of the > distribution, I'll actually refer this to my legal guy but I don't see > this as a problem. Great, I guess we'll wait for final confirmation from your legal guy but as you describe the situation later in your email I'm now pretty much in agreement with you. So, on to practical matters (assuming the legalities work themselves out): I suggest setting up a proper project for your CD. What would you like it to be named? Note on licensing: I still feel that the code available on common-lisp.net needs to have a so-called "free" license (I prefer MIT but BSD, LLGPL etc. are ok too) so I'd like it if you didn't commit any code in your project's CVS tree that wasn't under such a license. Does that sound ok? Erik. From heow at alphageeksinc.com Fri Jan 30 17:01:35 2004 From: heow at alphageeksinc.com (Heow Eide-Goodman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:01:35 -0000 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: References: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> Message-ID: <1075439113.612.82.camel@sushi> Certainly! I feel strongly about that too as any code that I write will be under the GPL. ...which will be more actually, the CD originally started out for use in the Robocup Simulation League and is quickly moving down the path to be used in both our MuSIG and our Robo Trader groups. Personally, I'd like to see it used as a CL web-development platform! Hey, we control the environment 100% and can easly run a webserver+db+UncommonSQL. ...then there are the aspects of predictivly teaching lisp... it just never ends. :-) - Heow On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 11:40, Erik Enge wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > > > Everyone brought up a good point regarding the legalities of the > > distribution, I'll actually refer this to my legal guy but I don't see > > this as a problem. > > Great, I guess we'll wait for final confirmation from your legal guy > but as you > describe the situation later in your email I'm now pretty much in > agreement > with you. > > So, on to practical matters (assuming the legalities work themselves > out): > I suggest setting up a proper project for your CD. What would you like > it > to be named? > > Note on licensing: I still feel that the code available on > common-lisp.net needs to > have a so-called "free" license (I prefer MIT but BSD, LLGPL etc. are > ok too) so > I'd like it if you didn't commit any code in your project's CVS tree > that wasn't under > such a license. Does that sound ok? > > Erik. > From mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de Fri Jan 30 18:11:28 2004 From: mommer at igpm.rwth-aachen.de (Mario Mommer) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:11:28 +0100 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: <1075439113.612.82.camel@sushi> References: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> <1075439113.612.82.camel@sushi> Message-ID: Heow Eide-Goodman writes: > Certainly! I feel strongly about that too as any code that I write will > be under the GPL. Ok. (I assume you reply to "please only code that is free in the cvs tree") > ...which will be more actually, the CD originally started out for use in > the Robocup Simulation League and is quickly moving down the path to be > used in both our MuSIG and our Robo Trader groups. > > Personally, I'd like to see it used as a CL web-development platform! > Hey, we control the environment 100% and can easly run a > webserver+db+UncommonSQL. > > ...then there are the aspects of predictivly teaching lisp... it just > never ends. :-) Certainly, we like the idea too :). Like Erik said, let's wait for the legal advise you get, but it seems to me that if you distribute it through the ftp space that /belongs to your project/, we might be reasonably secure. Thus, as far as I am concerned, I approve. If there is a porblem with the ISO, we will have to look into that. How do you want to name the project? Regards, Mario. From heow at alphageeksinc.com Fri Jan 30 20:48:38 2004 From: heow at alphageeksinc.com (Heow Eide-Goodman) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:48:38 -0000 Subject: [admin] Lisp Education CD as ISO project In-Reply-To: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> References: <1075435686.612.58.camel@sushi> Message-ID: <1075495889.535.136.camel@sushi> I just got off the phone with my lawyer guy, and she :-) assured me that it wouldn't be a problem. To simplify the talk she likened it to the relationship that a producer has to a retailer. But just in case we're going to tweak the license, just to make it more explicit. I'm currently tapping the intelect of LispNYC for a better more perminant name, the ideas so far: I'm considering: * Learning Lisp CD * Lisp Resource Kit * Lisp Resource CD * Hacker's Guide to Lisp * Lisp Education CD * Lisp Teaching CD * Web Development, Music, Demo and Lisp/Scheme Language Platform * Lisp Starter Kit * Heow's Excellent Lisp CD * Lisp In A Drum * Barrel Full of LISP :-) Thanks, - Heow From erik at nittin.net Fri Jan 30 11:34:32 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:34:32 -0500 Subject: [admin] (no subject) Message-ID: <45D11D70-5318-11D8-915D-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> [ apologize if this arrives multiple times, having some mail problems ] Heow Eide-Goodman wrote: > ...the license is unique in that the CD expressively remains free (as in > without cost) yet not fall into the public domain or under a different > license. This of course dose not preclude some of the seperate works > falling under a more lenient license. > > Thus only LispNYC.org, the ALU and myself can legally distribute it. > We, of course, have explicit permission from every author to distribute > the content found on the CD, which was no small task. :-) To be explicit: you're wanting us to put the CD on common-lisp.net available for download (sounds great) but only you, the ALU or LispNYC.org can legally distribute it? I don't see how common-lisp.net could legally distribute it in that case? If we can legally distribute it I approve too. Erik. From erik at nittin.net Sat Jan 31 22:23:10 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:23:10 -0500 Subject: [admin] (no subject) Message-ID: <0D7D78DC-543C-11D8-915D-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> Brian Mastenbrook wrote: > I'd like the name of the list to be "mac-lisp-ide" because that is > already what it is named. Done, you should have an email by now with your password. Erik. From erik at nittin.net Sat Jan 31 22:24:51 2004 From: erik at nittin.net (Erik Enge) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:24:51 -0500 Subject: [admin] (no subject) Message-ID: <497702D6-543C-11D8-915D-000A95CEC334@nittin.net> > Any news on that one? Done (sorry for the massive delay). You should have an email with your password. Erik. From bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu Sat Jan 31 17:27:52 2004 From: bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu (Brian Mastenbrook) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:27:52 -0500 Subject: [admin] mailing list redux Message-ID: Hi there, Since I got no response from cl.net regarding the mailing list I wanted to run, I started it myself on my own server. Well lo and behold my nameserver seems to be unreliable and I'm 200 miles away, and it's majorly frustrating efforts to run the list. Can cl.net consider picking up the hosting? I'd like it sooner than a week from now if possible as there is already active traffic that needs to be moved over. Brian -- Brian Mastenbrook bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/ From bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu Sat Jan 31 17:36:16 2004 From: bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu (Brian Mastenbrook) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:36:16 -0500 Subject: [admin] (addendum) mailing list redux Message-ID: I notice that on the admin mailing list there was a question about the name of the list I wanted. I never received this email :-) I'd like the name of the list to be "mac-lisp-ide" because that is already what it is named. -- Brian Mastenbrook bmastenb at cs.indiana.edu http://cs.indiana.edu/~bmastenb/